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Postby ToniX » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:27 am

New Caledonia 2 SE
1 Simon, Giles FRA 124
2 Burgsmuller, Lars ALE 141
3 Van Gemerden, Melle NED 143
4 Capdeville, Paul CHI 148
5 Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE 158
6 Pless, Kristian DEN 160
7 Delic, Amer USA 164
8 Aldi, Francesco ITA 166
9 Tabara, Michal CZE 172
10 De Voest, Rik RSA 181
11 Galimberti, Giorgio ITA 190
12 Thomann, Nicolas FRA 193
13 Gremelmayr, Denis ALE 197
14 Galvani, Stefano ITA 199
15 Mertl, Jan CZE 204
16 Vico, Uros ITA 207
17 Bogomolov, Alex USA 217
18 Lammer, Michael SUI 221
19 Snobel, Pavel CZE 229
20 Van Lottum NED 244
21 Prpic, Filip SWE 245
22 Uebel, Lars ALE 249
23 (SE)
24 (SE)
25 (WC) Bourgeois, Luke AUS
26 (WC) Guillaume, Pierre FRA
27 (WC) Montcourt, Mathieu FRA
28 (WC) Frayssinnoux, Phillip FRA
29 (Q) Suyiyama, Norikazu JPN
30 (Q) Odesnik, Wayne USA
31 (Q) Adaktusson, Jacob SWE
32 (Q) Meffert, Dominik ALE

Alternates
IN Joseph, Lesley USA 255
IN Russell, MIchael USA 257
1. Widom, Todd USA 259
2. Odesnik, Wayne USA 267
3. Adaktusson, Jacob SWE 277
4. Meffert, Dominik ALE 283
5. Dorsch, Benedikt ALE 284
OUT Beck, Andreas ALE 288
6. Auckland, James GBR 291
OUT Schukin, Yuri RUS 300
OUT Motomura, Gouichi JPN 308
OUT Minar, Jan CZE 324
OUT Bourgeois, Luke AUS 334
OUT Meniane, Trystan FRA 339
OUT Olejniczak, Dawid POL 342


Sao Paulo 2 WD`s + 2 SE
1 Berlocq, Carlos ARG 79
2 Horna, Luis PER 84
3 Saretta, Flavio BRA 109
4 Mazarakis, Vasilis GRE 118
5 Alves, Thiago BRA 152
6 Roitman, Sergio ARG 169
7 Silva, Julio BRA 174
8 Sa, Andre BRA 179
9 Fruttero, John-Paul USA 186
10 Lapentti, Giovanni ECU 187
11 Gonzalez, Maximo ARG 212
12 Hartfield, Diego ARG 219
13 Vassallo Arguello, Martin ARG 222
14 Junqueira, Diego ARG 234
15 Ferreiro, Franco BRA 242
16 Vemic, Dusan SCG 247
17 Adjei-Darko, Henry GHA 279
18 Patriarca, Damian ARG 292
19 Klec, Ivo GER 296
20 Melo, Marcelo BRA 325
21 Engel, Lucas BRA 329
22 Jaziri, Malek TUN 332
23 (SE)
24 (SE)
25 (WC) Miotto, Luiz BRA
26 (WC) Calabro, Bruno BRA
27 (WC) Souza , João Olavo BRA
28 (WC) Rosa, Bruno BRA 407
29 (Q)
30 (Q)
31 (Q)
32 (Q)

Alternates
IN Olejniczak, Dawid POL 342
IN Ghem, Andre BRA 347
IN Echagaray, Bruno MEX 349
IN Nunez, Eric USA 354

OUT Vagnozzi, Simone ITA 361
OUT Lipsky, Scott USA 364
1. Fabbri, Alejandro ARG 364
2. Dabul, Brian ARG 365
OUT Noviski, Lionel ARG 371
OUT Villagran, Cristian ARG 382
3. Parada, Felipe CHI 390
OUT Renavand, Nicolas FRA 392
OUT Gonzalez, Pablo COL 397
OUT Rosa, Bruno BRA 407
OUT Becker, Benjamin GER 420
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Postby Patrik77 » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:43 am

Thanks ToniX for structuring up the lists! :)
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Postby PatatRiek » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:02 am

Thanks ToniX :D

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Postby Default » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:32 pm

and alternants of Sau Paulo?

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Postby Super-Fabio » Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:02 pm

thanks Toni X !!!!! :D
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:09 am

Added the Sao Paolo alternates above .. Thanks Tonix for posting the lists.

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Postby Eric49 » Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:00 am

Does someone know who got the wildcards? I heard Verkerk would get one at New Caledonia....
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Postby Guest » Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:28 pm

First Sao Paulo WC for Luiz Miotto.

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Postby ToniX » Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:06 pm

Any update Jay????
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:06 am

None. no withdrawals yet ... Jay
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Postby Guest » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:05 am

Any updates today? Thanks.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:45 pm

No withdrawals still, at the two challengers.

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Postby Tennis724 » Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:51 pm

Kind of surprising that there are zero withdrawals at this point. One of those rarities :)
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Postby westaussie » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:16 am

Luis Horna may be out of sao paolo cause he got entry into the adelaide atp main draw after a withdrawal!

suppose it depends where he wants to play!


Wonder if Luke Bourgeois will play New Caledonia or try his luck at Adelaide qualies sign-in?

Jay or someone else: which other aussies are on New Caledonia alt list?
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Postby Jelena » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:24 am

westaussie wrote:Luis Horna may be out of sao paolo cause he got entry into the adelaide atp main draw after a withdrawal!

suppose it depends where he wants to play!


I'm not sure about the rules, but I think if someone made it to the main draw in an ATP-event he has to go there, even if he signed in to a challenger.

Those who know the rules please correct me if I'm wrong
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:39 am

It is the other way around, Jelena. Once you entered for the challenger (three weeks after the entry to the ATP event) and are in the list, you are automatically cut off from the waiting list at the ATP event. So, Horna will have to go to Sao Paolo. It was strange that he entered for Sao Paolo, knowing that he was just one out with a near-certain chance to make it to the ATP event. I guess he wanted to to stay in South America.

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Postby Rosie » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:07 am

Luis Horna is now officially into the main draw at ATP Adelaide due to the withdrawal of Karol Beck form the turnament - so I guess he will no longer be playing in the Sao Paulo Challenger - although heard nothing official yet.
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:36 am

Rosie - I guess you didn't read my post just above yours. Unless I am not aware of some loophole rule, Horna will HAVE TO play the challenger once he entered there. He knew he was only one out from the ATP event when he entered the challenger three weeks later. ATP and ITF do not allow you to put your hand in multiple cookie-jars (so to say!) and keep the options open. Once you find you did not make the higher level event and entered a challenger, you are no longer eligible to play the higher event. The same thing applies to those who miss a challenger cut by a few spots and enter a futures event a week later (ATP events entry are 6 weeks ahead, challengers 3 weeks ahead and futures 2 weeks ahead) you will have to play the futures even if the cut drops at the challenger.

In fact, what ATP and ITF try to do is to protect the entry list at the lower level events entry list - as they well should. Otherwise you will see players just a few spots from the challenger cut all entering futures and then withdrawing just the friday when the challenger cuts fall. Same thing with the ATP events - the guys who are up to 15 out in the ATP events will all enter challengers, fill up those challenger lists, and then mess up the lists when the cut drops on the thursday/friday at the ATP events. It would be utter chaos.

The players are forced to make up their mind and they will have to stick to it, as far as I know.

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Postby Patrik77 » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:46 am

Well explained Jay!!! Should be no questionmarks left for people regarding the "entry list case" ;)
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:09 am

ATP just cut out Horna from the Adelaide list. There you go - so he had no loopholes. He will have toplay Sao Paolo. Anyway, I think he did not want to go to Adelaide for some reason, or he would not have entered Sao Paolo.

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:13 am

Updates:

Sao Paulo (2 SE spots to be cleared)
OUT: Sa (and Lipsky from ALT)
IN: Olejniczak
NEXT: Ghem, B.Echagaray, Nunez, Vagnozzi, Fabbri, Dabul, Noviski, Villagran

Noumea (2 SE spots to be cleared)
No wthdrawals

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Postby kennycalhoo » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:09 am

Just as a follow up question....if Horna were to receive a WC in to adelaide, would he then be able to play? I assume yes, since WCs can be given out late.
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Postby Rosie » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:21 am

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:Rosie - I guess you didn't read my post just above yours. Unless I am not aware of some loophole rule, Horna will HAVE TO play the challenger once he entered there. He knew he was only one out from the ATP event when he entered the challenger three weeks later. ATP and ITF do not allow you to put your hand in multiple cookie-jars (so to say!) and keep the options open. Once you find you did not make the higher level event and entered a challenger, you are no longer eligible to play the higher event. The same thing applies to those who miss a challenger cut by a few spots and enter a futures event a week later (ATP events entry are 6 weeks ahead, challengers 3 weeks ahead and futures 2 weeks ahead) you will have to play the futures even if the cut drops at the challenger.

In fact, what ATP and ITF try to do is to protect the entry list at the lower level events entry list - as they well should. Otherwise you will see players just a few spots from the challenger cut all entering futures and then withdrawing just the friday when the challenger cuts fall. Same thing with the ATP events - the guys who are up to 15 out in the ATP events will all enter challengers, fill up those challenger lists, and then mess up the lists when the cut drops on the thursday/friday at the ATP events. It would be utter chaos.

The players are forced to make up their mind and they will have to stick to it, as far as I know.

Jay


Sorry - my apologies. I was at work when I made my post and not supposed to be on the Net at all (LOL!) - so just saw on MTF that everyone is saying Horna is playing IN Adelaide and wanted to post the news here - I will be more careful in future - sorry for any confusion.
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Postby PatatRiek » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:33 am

kennycalhoo wrote:Just as a follow up question....if Horna were to receive a WC in to adelaide, would he then be able to play? I assume yes, since WCs can be given out late.


organizers canNOT give a wildcard to a player who entered and made the cut for another tournament.

it's simple ... once you are in the original list for an event you have to play it and cannot play elsewhere

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Postby Tennis724 » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:10 pm

It seems like even when a draw is posted to be released on Sunday, like New Caledonia, it gets released Saturday. I'll still be checking :)
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:08 am

Just as a follow up question....if Horna were to receive a WC in to adelaide, would he then be able to play? I assume yes, since WCs can be given out late.

No. The only thing he can do is to give a medical and sit at home, if he does not want to play the challenger. You enter an event and make the initial list - then there is NO way for you to play another ATP or ITF professional event.

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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:12 am

Updates:

Sao Paulo (One of 2 SE spots cleared)
OUT: Sa (and Lipsky from ALT)
IN: Olejniczak, Ghem
NEXT: B.Echagaray, Nunez, Vagnozzi, Fabbri, Dabul, Noviski, Villagran, Parada

Noumea (One of 2 SE spots cleared)
OUT: None (and Beck from ALT)
IN: Joseph
NEXT: Russell, Widom, Odesnik, Adaktusson, Meffert, Dorsch, Auckland, Schukin

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Postby kennycalhoo » Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:37 am

Good to know, thanks everyone. Have a great New Year's celebration!
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Postby Jelena » Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:26 am

R. Jayakrishnan wrote:ATP just cut out Horna from the Adelaide list. There you go - so he had no loopholes. He will have toplay Sao Paolo. Anyway, I think he did not want to go to Adelaide for some reason, or he would not have entered Sao Paolo.Jay

The only thing I'm asking myself now is: Why did ATP wait until two days before the tournament to throw Horna out of the ALT-list and didn't do it as soon as the challenger list was out?
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:40 am

Updates:

Sao Paulo (Second of 2 SE spots cleared)
OUT: Horna, Sa (and Lipsky from ALT)
IN: Olejniczak, Ghem, B.Echagaray, Nunez
NEXT: Vagnozzi, Fabbri, Dabul, Noviski, Villagran, Parada

Noumea (Second of 2 SE spots cleared)
OUT: None (and Beck from ALT)
IN: Joseph, Russell
NEXT: Widom, Odesnik, Adaktusson, Meffert, Dorsch, Auckland, Schukin

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Postby Elikian » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:06 am

So Horna decides not to play at all? :S
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Postby Fee » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:28 am

Jelena wrote:
R. Jayakrishnan wrote:ATP just cut out Horna from the Adelaide list. There you go - so he had no loopholes. He will have toplay Sao Paolo. Anyway, I think he did not want to go to Adelaide for some reason, or he would not have entered Sao Paolo.Jay

The only thing I'm asking myself now is: Why did ATP wait until two days before the tournament to throw Horna out of the ALT-list and didn't do it as soon as the challenger list was out?


Christmas vacation?
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Postby Nathaliia » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:45 am

maybe Horna was considering if to come or not to come (like Shakespear :S )

i wonder what happens if a players from ALT in one moment enters two ATP tournaments, where he has to play ;)

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Postby Jelena » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:55 am

Nathaliia wrote:i wonder what happens if a players from ALT in one moment enters two ATP tournaments, where he has to play ;)

have a nice NY celebration.


I think ATP then calls the player and asks where he wants to play.

Again I'm not sure about that :oops:
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Postby Jelena » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:57 am

Fiona wrote:
Jelena wrote:
R. Jayakrishnan wrote:ATP just cut out Horna from the Adelaide list. There you go - so he had no loopholes. He will have toplay Sao Paolo. Anyway, I think he did not want to go to Adelaide for some reason, or he would not have entered Sao Paolo.Jay

The only thing I'm asking myself now is: Why did ATP wait until two days before the tournament to throw Horna out of the ALT-list and didn't do it as soon as the challenger list was out?


Christmas vacation?

But the challenger list was out far before Christmas, wasn't it?
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Postby R. Jayakrishnan » Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:14 pm

They usually do it only the week before the event, even if the challenger entries are known 3 weeks ahead. This time they probably waited a couple more days than normal because of the holidays.

I wonder if Horna is injured or something? .. Why did he enter Adelaide, then three weeks later Sao Paulo, and then withdraw in the end from there too.

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Postby ToniX » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:48 pm

3º WC Sao Paulo João Olavo Souza BRA
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Postby Guest » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:35 pm

whose the WC for the draw from Nouméa ?
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Postby Super-Fabio » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:53 am

News from Noumea ? :S :S :roll:
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Postby Adolfo » Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:23 am

Anonymous wrote:whose the WC for the draw from Nouméa ?


Les wild cards : Martin Verkerk (NED-NC), Mathieu Montcourt (FRA-247e), Luke Bourgeois (AUS-333e).
Source: http://www.info.lnc.nc/sports/20051231. ... .html?0228

Let's hope that Verkerk really plays - that will be interesting!
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Postby Guest » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:07 am

finally, verker is out. Why ?
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Postby Adolfo » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:14 pm

Anonymous wrote:finally, verker is out. Why ?


Looks like he didn't really recover from his injury. It's a pity!
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Postby Guest » Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:45 am

félicitation from gilles simon. he won the second challenger à noumea after 2005.
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